Liz,
Does that result happen when the query is using left joins? I haven't noticed that effect with my data (but, of course, that concern is part of why I raised the question.)
Glenn
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Glen, I've found that if one of my subsidiaries doesn't have a value or a link then it can break the link to another subsidiary. On the other hand, if I'm relying on the inner join for a data integrity issue, then I purposefully join in a subsidiary to a subsidiary.
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Thanks Liz,
I prefer the other way but I am wondering wheter there is a theoretical reason to prefer one or the other.
I have uploaded diagrams to the group's files
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MS_Access_Professionals/files/Scenario%201.png
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MS_Access_Professionals/files/Scenario%202.png
Glenn
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If I have a main table with subsidiaries, I prefer a star like join with the left linking out to the subsidiaries.
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Thanks John,
I have renamed my tables. The primary table is tblPeople. The other three are subclass tables, tblButchers, tblBakers, and tblCandleStickMakers. When I was setting up the demo, the query designer autojoined according to scenario 2. The query does not need to be updateable; it is simply for output purposes.
"Daisy Chain" (Scenario 1)
SELECT tblPeople.PersonLast, tblPeople.PersonMiddle, tblPeople.PersonFirst
FROM ((tblPeople LEFT JOIN qselButchers ON tblPeople.PersonID = qselButchers.PersonID)
LEFT JOIN qselBakers ON qselButchers.PersonID = qselBakers.PersonID)
LEFT JOIN qselCandleStickMakers ON qselBakers.PersonID = qselCandleStickMakers.PersonID;
"Three Joins" (Scenario 2)
SELECT tblPeople.PersonLast, tblPeople.PersonMiddle, tblPeople.PersonFirst
FROM ((tblPeople LEFT JOIN qselButchers ON tblPeople.PersonID = qselButchers.PersonID)
LEFT JOIN qselBakers ON tblPeople.PersonID = qselBakers.PersonID)
LEFT JOIN qselCandleStickMakers ON tblPeople.PersonID = qselCandleStickMakers.PersonID;
Glenn
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Glenn-
I don't understand your second scenario. It would be clearer if you coded the FROM clause that you're using.
Note that if tables 2, 3, and 4 are all related to table 1 1-to-many, then a query including all four tables will not be updatable because you will be creating the Cartesian Product of all rows in 2, 3, and 4 that are related to 1.
John Viescas, Author
Microsoft Access 2010 Inside Out
Microsoft Access 2007 Inside Out
Microsoft Access 2003 Inside Out
Building Microsoft Access Applications
SQL Queries for Mere Mortals
http://www.viescas.com/
(Paris, France)
On Feb 19, 2016, at 1:38 PM, 'Glenn Lloyd' argeedblu@gmail.com <mailto:argeedblu@gmail.com> [MS_Access_Professionals] <MS_Access_Professionals@yahoogroups.com <mailto:MS_Access_Professionals@yahoogroups.com> > wrote:
Bad pun most definitely intentional and offered without apology.
I would like to expand my knowledge of joins especially in the following scenario.
Table1 is the primary table and has say, 100 records.
Tables2, 3, and 4 are relate subsidiary tables with foreign keys related to Table1's primary key. Table 2 has 30 related records, Table3 has 10 and Table4 has 35.
As I see it, there are two different ways of setting up the joins with a number of variations that I won't introduce here.
Scenario 1:
Table1 - Left - Table2 – Left - Table3 – Left – Table4
Scenario 2:
Table1 – Left – Table2
Table1 – Left - Table3
Table1 – Left - Table4
From what I have observed, queries using either of these scenarios yield the same 100 records with null records where none of them have a foreign key to one of Table1's records.
My question is whether there are any significant differences, or hidden pitfalls to either of these approaches and which yields the more efficient query.
Glenn
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