Liz
Unfortunately, there will always be those looking to get someone else to do
their work. I found that very often in development environments where there was
a team of people, each with their assignments. Either I or one of the other
seniors ended up doing all the work while the lesser skilled employees got their
paychecks and raises. I now work solo and love it that way.
Regards,
Bill
From: MS_Access_Professionals@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:MS_Access_Professionals@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Liz Ravenwood
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 11:38 AM
To: 'MS_Access_Professionals@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [MS_AccessPros] Re: global variable persistence
Bill, I always recommend this group. I tell them just how much B/E has saved by
what I've learned and implemented from you guys.
A situation I had recently was where someone put on their evaluation /
professional dev goal for the year to learn Access. Well, good! So he did create
a db and I was there to assist when he got stuck. For the last couple of things
that needed some vba I helped out and told him what he needed to finish out with
(skills that he had already acquired and demonstrated) and turned it back to
him.
A few times.... yes a few! HIS boss emailed me ----- this isn't working... can
you tell me why? I would reply every time. "I don't know. Ask --- it's his
database."
I think it miffed him, but well... how can someone be evaluated on something
when it keeps coming back to me? It is his opportunity for success. Not mine.
Liz Ravenwood
Programmer/Analyst
Super First Class Products
B/E Aerospace
O: 1.520.239.4808
www.beaerospace.com
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From: MS_Access_Professionals@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:MS_Access_Professionals%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:MS_Access_Professionals@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:MS_Access_Professionals%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Bill Mosca
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 11:29 AM
To: MS_Access_Professionals@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:MS_Access_Professionals%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [MS_AccessPros] Re: global variable persistence
Liz
I feel for you. I'm the only Access guy in our IT department, and employees from
all departments have come to know me through the myriad of database applications
I've built.
Sometimes, all they want is a quick task and ask me to show them how to do it.
Other times, I end up getting assigned a whole new project. The ones who are
trying to build a database on their own can be troublesome. I make sure they
understand that I'm helping them on my own time so I make sure they make an
appointment at a time that is convenient for me and it has to be 30 minutes or
less.
Through all this, I've come to know many wonderful people. And there are many
who know me through me work. It's kind of spooky to have someone say, "So YOU'RE
Bill Mosca!"
Crystal's videos are a great place to start if they really want to learn and not
just spend 10 minutes in Access and then trash their work.
Don't forget to recommend our group. Lots of times they will actually join or at
least lurk.
Bill
--- In MS_Access_Professionals@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:MS_Access_Professionals%40yahoogroups.com> , Liz Ravenwood
<liz_ravenwood@...> wrote:
>
> ... and as a gripe... my company corporate IT provides no support for my
professional development. I'm shadow. Then the minute someone gets to know me
they think I can sit down and teach them access.
>
> I've typically responded with the true but lengthy answer in that I need to
learn a lot more in other areas and that I'll help them when they get stuck (I
suspect they want spoon feeding), and then I feel guilty about my response and
aggravated. I've had the personal experience where I said "yes" to too many
people and did things that a trained monkey could do while not improving my
skills and my assistant got a promotion over me making 7k more... and that was
decades ago...
>
> So, I had to ask myself where I went wrong, and it was in saying "yes" to
people who wanted me to do work for them just because I wanted to be amicable.
It did me no favors and I won't do it again.
>
> I've decided to say, I'll be happy to, but you'll have to meet me on Sunday
mornings at my house at 6:00 AM. :-) That should deter them! As it is, any new
professional development I do has to be on my own time on my own equipment and
software, so my time is limited. Between a long commute and other activities, I
simply do not have time to spoon feed people who think they can sit down with me
to learn Access.
>
> ... I should point them towards Crystals youtube tutorials instead. ;-)
>
> Liz Ravenwood
> Programmer/Analyst
> Super First Class Products
> B/E Aerospace
> O: 1.520.239.4808
> www.beaerospace.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MS_Access_Professionals@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:MS_Access_Professionals%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:MS_Access_Professionals@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:MS_Access_Professionals%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of borninfulton
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:44 AM
> To: MS_Access_Professionals@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:MS_Access_Professionals%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [MS_AccessPros] Re: global variable persistence
>
> I hear you, Liz, that's what I want to do, too. I've got a couple ideas for
mobile (Windows Phone, in this case) apps, but haven't had the time to pursue
them yet.
>
> Rod
>
> --- In MS_Access_Professionals@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:MS_Access_Professionals%40yahoogroups.com> , Liz Ravenwood
<liz_ravenwood@> wrote:
> >
> > Me? Do a presentation?
> >
> > I'm actually going to try to get in to the mobile app development. I've been
so swamped at work that I can't seem to pull in to that area. That, and my work
just plain doesn't cooperate when it comes to giving me the tools with which to
develop myself professionally.
> >
> > I just got a 90 day azure trial and want to take tracks related to that, and
maybe some win stuff. I saw your mobile app dev using vs and want to review it
again. I have vs 2008 at work and vs2010 at home. I perhaps might get a 2012
express edition.
> >
> > Some day I'd like to have enough knowledge to actually disseminate... but I
still consider myself quite the fledgling. Somedays more than others.
> >
> > Liz Ravenwood
> > Programmer/Analyst
> > Super First Class Products
> > B/E Aerospace
> > O: 1.520.239.4808
> > www.beaerospace.com
> >
> >
>
> <snip />
>
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